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The paper of today, yesterday, and tomorrow ---A FREE PRESS THAT IS FREE an early earnest edition RANDOM THOUGHTS OF FREE THINKING 16MAR2014 THE ULTIMATE DISFRANCHISED ALL-E.G.-ANY CITIZEN matt 13:57-mark 6:4-luke 4:24-john 4:44

Sunday--- IT IS NOT THE ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS WHO BOTHER ME. IT IS THE SPECIAL INTERESTS OF THE RICH ELITE SPOILED BI-POLAR SEXIST POLITICIANS BORN RIGHT HERE IN THE USA; THAT PISS(torque?) ME OFF… STINGY, CUTTHROAT BEE-TARDS AND BEE-ITCHES WHO DON’T KNOW WHAT THEY DO… Hypocrites Of Hubris across the entire visible and invisible spectrum from infra-reds to ultra-violet blues velveteen royalists and turncoats with “unclean hands”…

Definitions of despotism:

· noun: dominance through threat of punishment and violence · noun: a form of government in which the ruler is an absolute dictator (not restricted by a constitution or laws or opposition etc.) Definitions of nepotism:

· noun: favoritism shown to relatives or close friends by those in power (as by giving them jobs)

Corporate Nepotism, despotism…

I liked this poem...

I like the title even more, and may use it myself in a future column...

'Judicial Road Kill';; the painful killers at the bar; where the Iceman Cometh...

Misbegotten son of the sun a terrible mind to be beautifully wasted…

'CROSS-ROADS' There are two or more roads. The one you travel is usually the hardest and steepest. It is your unique road. Remember as a civilian 'It is a good day to LIVE', with DISCRETION...before valor... And there comes a time when every Marine has to, 'REASON WHY?' and I am glad I chose the road I did, because, There but for fortune go I?? For me, Staying Alive to HELP my fellow Marines was not a crime. Feeling like a POW-MIA in my own country, homeless, destitute, and near hopelessly out of my mind, something intangible brought me back... I can only thank those people who 'touched' me like angels put in my path... And here I will thank you Alan, for all you have done, and all that you will do, above and beyond, the 'official' lines of procedure TO BE a true Marine Mensch...

Definitions of mensch:

noun: a decent responsible person with admirable characteristics

Sincerely, Your Friend and Fellow Marine from out of the past, A 'Ghost' Rider of Fat Alberts in the Skies and Storms of RVN and the Gulf of Tonkin...A Hoss-Cart-Wrong Phantom of that Theatre Of Opperations…

J.H. Klice formerly USMC SGT E-5 mos 6786 Extinct mos now, but always a Marine in my Heart And Soul... AXM

May the sun bring you new energies by day, May the moon softly restore you by night, May the rain wash away any worries you may have, And the breeze blow new strength into your being, And then, all the days of your life, May you walk gently through the world, and know its beauty and yours. Author Unknown

Why is it so hard for 'officials' of the judiciary, or any other autocratic bureaucracy to apologize, or just admit they were wrong...(I have seen this at all levels, all branches)...Elected officials are not infallible, that is the black robe fever of malignant narcissism, which would be the diagnosis of most of those clowns with delusions of grandeur...(this is just fiction to protect the innocent; but truth is stranger than fiction sometimes.)

http://www.recordsofwar.com/vietnam/usmc/VMGR-152.htm

D.L.Rice CO6/70/12/70

DECLASSIFIED • DATA. 1. STAFF OFFICERS Commanding Officer Executive Officer Adjutant 8-1 Officer 8-2 Officer S-3 Officer S-4 Officer Aircraft Eaintenance Officer Aviation Safety Officer PERIOD 1 Jul - 31 Dec LtCol Donald L. RICE 1 Jul - 24 Aug LtCol Leon B. 25 Aug - 30 Sep LtCol John B. LPJTIn,;'.E 1 Oct - 31 Dec LtCol Randall DUPHINEY 1 Jul - 31 Dec IstLt Lal-rrence RE1T:-.JELL 1 Jul -::3.1 Oct Naj Charles U. CHAIN 1 Nov - 31 Dec lo'laj Robert E. SHORT 1 Jul - 31 Oct IstLt Hartin J. SLEBODNIK 1 Nov - 31 Dec Capt Roger A. HE!lli'AN 1 Ju1 - 30 Sep Haj Phillip 1 Oct - 31 Dec LtCol John B. LAVELLE 1 Jul - 30 Sep }:aj Paul G. JUDKINS 1 Oct - 30 Nov liaj Richard J. 1 Dec - 31 Dec Capt Dennis JANIKOHSKI 1 Ju1 - 31 Dec I·raj Nicholas H. BUNCH 1 Jul - 31 L.ug Capt Joseph Q. IIT!';SI1ITH 1 Sep - 31 Oct Capt Stanley S. 1,10RRIS 1 Nov - 31 Dec Eaj Fredrick A. C1:.ROL;iN N,,1TOPS Instructor, 1 Jul -: 31 ,Aug Capt David S. DURHlJ1 .1 Sep - 31 Oct lfuj Thomas R. JENSEN 1 Nov - 31 Dec I,raj Howard CHAPIN 2. SUBORDINATE UNITS; None 3. LOCATION: 1 3. FLIGH7 STATISTICS TOTALS Cfi.RGO TONS 9,411 P i'iSSENGERS 47,445 H01J'RS FLOHN 7,882.9 SORTIES 2,927 AEFIAL REFUgLING HISS IONS 455 FLARE HISS IONS 338 DISPENSED 23,691 4. NE1:1 PILOTS (1 July - 31 December) LtCol DUPHHJEY LtCol LAVELLE Eaj CHAPIN l·iaj .mNSEN :t:laj ZEIKUS Capt HERl. iAN Capt HORRIS Capt ROCHFOFJ) Capt SENKUS Capt SHIVELY lstLt BA&'l lstLt BOLGER lstLt GIBBON lstLt GRAY lstLt ROSS lstLt STEURY lstLt VOLL lstLt('IRIGHT lstLt YANKOSKI 5. NE:I ENLISTED C11EH t1El-mERS (1 July - 31 December) NSgt ED:·lAlIDS HSgt HcCARTHY NSgt HHITEHUnST GySgt BARTA GySgt RUANE GySg t SPANGLER 5

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Their relationship was rocky to say the least. According to Admiral Morrison’s obituary in the New York Times, Jim’s rebellion was met with blank incomprehension from his father.

Read more: http://spousebuzz.com/blog/2014/03/military-brats-gone-wild.html#ixzz2w736NSEd SpouseBUZZ.com

Shinseki has been lambasted over the department’s enormous inventory of claims, which reached a peak of 900,000 in March and, though now in steep decline, can still leave veterans waiting close to a year for resolution. The department has been regularly excoriated on “The Daily Show with Jon Stewart,” with even Shinseki’s deliberate speaking style satirized. “No wonder things take forever over there,” Stewart quipped.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/at-va-shinseki-seeks-to-tackle-disability-claims-backlog-homelessness/2013/11/10/a5909a66-34eb-11e3-8a0e-4e2cf80831fc_story.html

I recently saw a video of the cockpit of a new airliner landing at San Francisco.

Their was no F-ing yoke in front of the pilot.

I couldn't believe it. ILS used to mean instrument landing system to aid the pilot. Now the pilot just aids the computer...

Next thing you know, there will be no steering wheel on your city bus, and no pedals to push...

God forbid, the pilot, driver? Loses his voice.

Future Headline: 'Crash Caused By Laryngitis.'

B-each B-O-YS...Be ache boys ...Beau Be oh ys...wise... B=Bravo O=Oscar Y=Yankee S=Sierra... B=Bravo E=Echo A=Alpha C=Charlie H=Hotel ys=wise yes butt we ache as older men...who now reason Y why??? Like · Reply · 5 minutes ago

the establishment--- Antidisestablishmentarianism… The FUCUKOFF the Federation of United Colonies of a United Kingdom OVERRULING FAIRINDED FRIENDS ...

Beach boys b each bo-ys be ache boys beau –ys no ys in girls nor women just genes and genies. The wamen of wemen and wimen woman wuman whimen whimoan…

The paper of today, yesterday, and tomorrow ---A FREE PRESS THAT IS FREE an early earnest edition RANDOM THOUGHTS OF FREE THINKING 17MAR2014 THE ULTIMATE DISFRANCHISED ALL-E.G.-ANY CITIZEN matt 13:57-mark 6:4-luke 4:24-john 4:44

Monday--- Did you know that Rattlesnake Pete was diagnosed with the very first case of 'Reptile Dysfunction'? Editor's Note: hee hee

# 3. 3/16/14 5:30 PM by Roger Ramjet Is 'flight simulator' the new code word for 'joystick' related activities? gary beikirch Last Bird Standing by Albert 1 4918766 # 1. 3/16/14 9:23 PM by little john - Mount Morris, NY raven NEVAR---more the raven spelled backwards right to left is nevar and always there is more... amore… I for one feel comfortable even with this site's near obsoleteness, since I am an extinct species myself. An Amish X Marine 'ghost' of Vietnam. A Phantom from the Theatre Of Operations, with a story or two million to try and get on paper so to speak digitally... So from the mourning dove to the catbird, watch out for those cardinals and bluejays on the wire. And the eye of the sparrow remembers Spanky and Our Gang as real Americans, before all the talking heads seemed to take over... Max Headroom of 'Network' On The Far Side...???... Editor's Note: EAP forever! Nixon was sorry only for being caught…

IT IS NOT THE ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS WHO BOTHER ME. IT IS THE SPECIAL INTERESTS OF THE RICH ELITE SPOILED BI-POLAR SEXIST POLITICIANS BORN RIGHT HERE IN THE USA; THAT PISS ME OFF… STINGY, CUTTHROAT BEE-TARDS AND BEE-ITCHES WHO DON’T KNOW WHAT THEY DO… Hypocrites Of Hubris across the entire visible and invisible spectrum from infra-reds to ultra-violet blues velvetine royalists and turncoats with “unclean hands”…

Definitions of despotism:

· noun: dominance through threat of punishment and violence · noun: a form of government in which the ruler is an absolute dictator (not restricted by a constitution or laws or opposition etc.) Definitions of nepotism:

· noun: favoritism shown to relatives or close friends by those in power (as by giving them jobs)

Corporate Nepotism, despotism…

I liked this poem...

I like the title even more, and may use it myself in a future column...

'Judicial Road Kill';; the painful killers at the bar; where the Iceman Cometh...

Misbegotten son of the sun a terrible mind to be beautifully wasted…

'CROSS-ROADS' There are two or more roads. The one you travel is usually the hardest and steepest. It is your unique road. Remember as a civilian 'It is a good day to LIVE', with DISCRETION...before valor... And there comes a time when every Marine has to, 'REASON WHY?' and I am glad I chose the road I did, because, There but for fortune go I?? For me, Staying Alive to HELP my fellow Marines was not a crime. Feeling like a POW-MIA in my own country, homeless, destitute, and near hopelessly out of my mind, something intangible brought me back... I can only thank those people who 'touched' me like angels put in my path... And here I will thank you Alan, for all you have done, and all that you will do, above and beyond, the 'official' lines of procedure TO BE a true Marine Mensch...

Definitions of mensch:

noun: a decent responsible person with admirable characteristics

Sincerely, Your Friend and Fellow Marine from out of the past, A 'Ghost' Rider of Fat Alberts in the Skies and Storms of RVN and the Gulf of Tonkin...A Hoss-Cart-Wrong Phantom of that Theatre Of Opperations…

J.H. Klice formerly USMC SGT E-5 mos 6786 Extinct mos now, but always a Marine in my Heart And Soul... AXM

May the sun bring you new energies by day, May the moon softly restore you by night, May the rain wash away any worries you may have, And the breeze blow new strength into your being, And then, all the days of your life, May you walk gently through the world, and know its beauty and yours. Author Unknown

Why is it so hard for 'officials' of the judiciary, or any other autocratic bureaucracy to apologize, or just admit they were wrong...(I have seen this at all levels, all branches)...Elected officials are not infallible, that is the black robe fever of malignant narcissism, which would be the diagnosis of most of those clowns with delusions of grandeur...(this is just fiction to protect the innocent; but truth is stranger than fiction sometimes.)

http://www.recordsofwar.com/vietnam/usmc/VMGR-152.htm

D.L.Rice CO6/70/12/70

DECLASSIFIED • DATA. 1. STAFF OFFICERS Commanding Officer Executive Officer Adjutant 8-1 Officer 8-2 Officer S-3 Officer S-4 Officer Aircraft Eaintenance Officer Aviation Safety Officer PERIOD 1 Jul - 31 Dec LtCol Donald L. RICE 1 Jul - 24 Aug LtCol Leon B. 25 Aug - 30 Sep LtCol John B. LPJTIn,;'.E 1 Oct - 31 Dec LtCol Randall DUPHINEY 1 Jul - 31 Dec IstLt Lal-rrence RE1T:-.JELL 1 Jul -::3.1 Oct Naj Charles U. CHAIN 1 Nov - 31 Dec lo'laj Robert E. SHORT 1 Jul - 31 Oct IstLt Hartin J. SLEBODNIK 1 Nov - 31 Dec Capt Roger A. HE!lli'AN 1 Ju1 - 30 Sep Haj Phillip 1 Oct - 31 Dec LtCol John B. LAVELLE 1 Jul - 30 Sep }:aj Paul G. JUDKINS 1 Oct - 30 Nov liaj Richard J. 1 Dec - 31 Dec Capt Dennis JANIKOHSKI 1 Ju1 - 31 Dec I·raj Nicholas H. BUNCH 1 Jul - 31 L.ug Capt Joseph Q. IIT!';SI1ITH 1 Sep - 31 Oct Capt Stanley S. 1,10RRIS 1 Nov - 31 Dec Eaj Fredrick A. C1:.ROL;iN N,,1TOPS Instructor, 1 Jul -: 31 ,Aug Capt David S. DURHlJ1 .1 Sep - 31 Oct lfuj Thomas R. JENSEN 1 Nov - 31 Dec I,raj Howard CHAPIN 2. SUBORDINATE UNITS; None 3. LOCATION: 1 3. FLIGH7 STATISTICS TOTALS Cfi.RGO TONS 9,411 P i'iSSENGERS 47,445 H01J'RS FLOHN 7,882.9 SORTIES 2,927 AEFIAL REFUgLING HISS IONS 455 FLARE HISS IONS 338 DISPENSED 23,691 4. NE1:1 PILOTS (1 July - 31 December) LtCol DUPHHJEY LtCol LAVELLE Eaj CHAPIN l·iaj .mNSEN :t:laj ZEIKUS Capt HERl. iAN Capt HORRIS Capt ROCHFOFJ) Capt SENKUS Capt SHIVELY lstLt BA&'l lstLt BOLGER lstLt GIBBON lstLt GRAY lstLt ROSS lstLt STEURY lstLt VOLL lstLt('IRIGHT lstLt YANKOSKI 5. NE:I ENLISTED C11EH t1El-mERS (1 July - 31 December) NSgt ED:·lAlIDS HSgt HcCARTHY NSgt HHITEHUnST GySgt BARTA GySgt RUANE GySg t SPANGLER 5

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Their relationship was rocky to say the least. According to Admiral Morrison’s obituary in the New York Times, Jim’s rebellion was met with blank incomprehension from his father.

Read more: http://spousebuzz.com/blog/2014/03/military-brats-gone-wild.html#ixzz2w736NSEd SpouseBUZZ.com

Shinseki has been lambasted over the department’s enormous inventory of claims, which reached a peak of 900,000 in March and, though now in steep decline, can still leave veterans waiting close to a year for resolution. The department has been regularly excoriated on “The Daily Show with Jon Stewart,” with even Shinseki’s deliberate speaking style satirized. “No wonder things take forever over there,” Stewart quipped.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/at-va-shinseki-seeks-to-tackle-disability-claims-backlog-homelessness/2013/11/10/a5909a66-34eb-11e3-8a0e-4e2cf80831fc_story.html

I recently saw a video of the cockpit of a new airliner landing at San Francisco.

Their was no F-ing yoke in front of the pilot.

I couldn't believe it. ILS used to mean instrument landing system to aid the pilot. Now the pilot just aids the computer...

Next thing you know, there will be no steering wheel on your city bus, and no pedals to push...

God forbid, the pilot, driver? Loses his voice.

Future Headline: 'Crash Caused By Laryngitis.'

B-each B-O-YS...Be ache boys ...Beau Be oh ys...wise... B=Bravo O=Oscar Y=Yankee S=Sierra... B=Bravo E=Echo A=Alpha C=Charlie H=Hotel ys=wise yes butt we ache as older men...who now reason Y why??? Like · Reply · 5 minutes ago

the establishment--- Antidisestablishmentarianism… The FUCUKOFF the Federation of United Colonies of a United Kingdom OVERRULING FAIRINDED FRIENDS ...

Beach boys b each bo-ys be ache boys beau –ys no ys in girls nor women just genes and genies. The wamen of wemen and wimen woman wuman whimen whimoan…

The paper of today, yesterday, and tomorrow ---A FREE PRESS THAT IS FREE an early earnest edition RANDOM THOUGHTS OF FREE THINKING 15MAR2014 THE ULTIMATE DISFRANCHISED ALL-E.G.-ANY CITIZEN matt 13:57-mark 6:4-luke 4:24-john 4:44

Saturday--- the establishment--- Antidisestablishmentarianism… The FUCUKOFF the Federation of United Colonies of a United Kingdom OVERRULING FAIRINDED FRIENDS ...

Beach boys b each bo-ys be ache boys beau –ys no ys in girls nor women just genes and genies. The wamen of wemen and wimen woman wuman whimen whimoan…

IMAGINE: A JASON LEE DUNHAM RANCH FOR BROKEN ARROWS OF PEACE WITH HONOR…IN THE ENCHANTED MOUNTAINS JUST NORTH OF GOD’S COUNTRY NEAR THE GREAT VALLEY , SAINT BONAVENTURE, AND THE ROCK CITY PARK OF THE ROCKS OF AGES… What if: there was a place for healing a second chance, and another chance for help for veterans and their families without any government rules or red tapeworms…???…

The persons named in inflammatory claims about this apocryphal incident have repeatedly and categorically denied the events they supposedly were part of. Read more at http://www.snopes.com/military/fonda.asp#UfQPFUWhvyvS4Pyp.99

just a thought. Why do women politicians compare our military to the IDF or other militaries that have no wars? They have fighting and terrorism and counterterrorism but not a full out war…what’s not being said???

I won't give up until survivors are able to come forward and report these crimes without fear of retaliation and with the confidence that they will get the impartial evidence-based justice they deserve.

Boob Tube Mega Low Mania---a vast wasteland...in a can of CNN one eyed cyclops with peacock minds reciting their sponsors ABC's ...What in HELL happened to PBS??? Definitions of megalomania: noun: a psychological state characterized by delusions of grandeur

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wasteland_Speech

Freudian slips of jmac in bully for America…psy-ops puppet---and his own mission to be accomplished come hell or high water marks…

Blame game---macin s&l debacle…

If your gonna shake us to wake us, you had best do it on a fast run!....Boon

If your gonna shake us to wake us, you had best do it on a fast run!....Boon

Back at the dairy farm and milk route, My 14yr old younger brother would throw a wet washrag on my face and then run like hell... My father had told him not to get too close...(the really sad apart about that time, I had pushed down real deep, was, that my own Mother was afraid of me, even when I was awake...(I overheard her once say to a friend, 'I can't help it. My own son smells like death to me...') The good part is that after several years, and my Father's passing, I got to know my mother better and came to a reconciliation of sorts. There is no quick fix, for those feelings and they are never really gone...After the Iliad it is a long, slow, painful, unique Odyssey for each and every survivor of war...That's why Homer wrote about it, B.C.

BE STRONG; BUT NOT RUDE. BE KIND BUT BE NOT WEAK. BE BOLD BUT BE NOT BULLY. BE HUMBLE, BUT BE NOT TIMID. BE PROUD BUT BE NOT ARROGANT. B.C.->B.B. Before Catwoman there was a fine Batwoman Babe Babbling in an OLDS-mobile... And the Double D; DD is a cup of another tea. See?AXM (Dolly the sheepish Part one?)

Origins: It is perhaps indicative of the divisive nature of U.S. military involvement in the Vietnam War in the 1960s and 70s that one of the persons most commonly associated with the war was neither a world leader nor a politician, neither a general nor a soldier, neither a participant nor a casualty of the war, but an American actress. And in ironic fashion, that actress is most notorious for something she didn't do in Vietnam rather than all the things she did do.

In July 1972, during the waning days of U.S. military involvement in Vietnam, actress Jane Fonda incurred the enmity of untold thousands of Vietnam veterans and their families (as well as service members for generations to come) when she arrived in Hanoi, North Vietnam, and began a two-week tour of the country. Fonda visited North Vietnamese villages, hospitals, schools, and factories damaged in the war, weaving her comments about what she observed at those sites with denunciations of U.S. military policy in recordings broadcast as propaganda to U.S. servicemen via Radio Hanoi; met with international visitors and reporters who were also in North Vietnam; spent about an hour chatting with seven U.S. POWs at a meeting arranged by her North Vietnamese guides; and posed for photographs at an antiaircraft emplacement set up in a rural area just outside Hanoi.

Although Fonda's actions in visiting North Vietnam were sufficient to earn her the wrath of many Americans, in the years since those events took place they have been embellished to the point that the one tale most commonly associated with her Vietnam trip is an incident that never took place: a tale about U.S. POWs who furtively slipped messages to Fonda while she was meeting with them and whom Fonda promptly betrayed by turning those messages over to the POWs' North Vietnamese captors (resulting in several of those prisoners' being beaten, tortured, or killed). The fact is that while in North Vietnam, Fonda met with only a single group of seven U.S POWs: all seven of those POWs agreed to meet with her, no POWs were tortured for declining to meet with her (or for behaving inappropiately during the meeting), and no POWs secretly slipped Fonda messages which she turned over to the North Vietnamese. The persons named in inflammatory claims about this apocryphal incident have repeatedly and categorically denied the events they supposedly were part of.

First of all, the whole premise on which this tale is based is contradicted by the plain reality of the situation: none of the POWs Jane Fonda met needed to furtively hand her messages encoding their identities in order to 'get word to the world that they still survived.' Fonda spent about an hour talking with a single group of seven POWs whose names she had ample opportunity to learn during that time; the POWs didn't need to sneak Fonda pieces of paper with their Social Security numbers written on them, as she could simply have remembered their names and repeated them once she returned home. Plus, there was no reason for the POWs' identities to have been kept a secret in the first place — since the North Vietnamese arranged the meeting between Fonda and the POWs for its propaganda value, they very much wanted the American public and the world at large to know exactly whom she'd met with.

The POWs also had no need to rely on Fonda to secretly relay other messages from them to the outside world. After politics disrupted the delivery of letters to and from American POWs in North Vietnam via U.S. Mail, many visitors who traveled to Hanoi during the war years (such as members of the group Women Strike for Peace) regularly brought POWs letters from their families and took letters from POWs back to the United States with them. Jane Fonda was no exception: she brought mail for imprisoned U.S. servicemen with her to Hanoi, and she returned to the U.S. carrying 241 letters from American POWs back to their families. (Fonda even called the wives of some of the men she met with to provide them with updates about their husbands.) None of the POWs who met with Jane Fonda had any need to resort to the form of subterfuge claimed in these Internet rumors in order to get information about themselves carried to friends and family back home.

Additionally, no POWs were tortured to coerce them into meeting with Jane Fonda or for refusing to do so. Fonda had only a single meeting with a small group of POWs, and there were plenty of volunteers for the occasion: The seven men who met with [Fonda] were not coerced into the meeting; indeed, many more pilots wanted to meet with her than were able. 'The entire camp that I was in when Jane Fonda visited wanted to see her,' former POW Edison Miller said, although he didn't even know who Jane Fonda was. Miller only wanted to see her because he knew she was Henry Fonda's daughter.

The seven POWs and Fonda met around a large table surrounded by chairs. It was a typical meeting between international visitors and American airmen: low-key, filled with small talk, inquiries from the airmen about particular bits of news and sports from home, conversations about their families, requests to call them and pass on a message. Despite the claims of hundreds of Vietnam veterans who maintain they were 'there' and affirm that accounts like the 'smuggled Social Security number betrayal' are true because they supposedly witnessed them, the fact is that Fonda met only seven American POWs while in North Vietnam: Edison Miller, Walter Wilber, James Padgett, David Wesley Hoffman, Kenneth James Fraser, William G. Byrns, and Edward Elias. None of those men reported her sabotaging their attempts to slip her information about themselves, and anyone other than those seven men who asserts he was 'there' and witnessed such a scene is simply not telling the truth.

Some of the POWs who actually did meet with Jane Fonda, such as Edison Miller, have spoken out on the record over the years to disclaim the apocryphal stories about her 'The whole [e-mail] story about Jane Fonda is just malarkey,' said Edison Miller, 73, of California, a former Marine Corps pilot held more than five years. Miller was among seven POWs who met with Fonda in Hanoi. He said he didn't recall her asking any questions other than about their names, if that. He said that he passed her no piece of paper, and that to his knowledge, no other POW in the group did, despite the e-mail's claims. Col. Larry Carrigan, the U.S. serviceman whose name is invoked in the e-mailed reproduced at the head of this article, has affirmed that he neither claimed nor experienced any of what has been attributed to him, and that he never even met Jane Fonda: 'It's a figment of somebody's imagination.' said Ret. Col. Larry Carrigan, one of the servicemen mentioned in the 'slips of paper' incident. Carrigan was shot down over North Vietnam in 1967 and did spend time in a POW camp. He has no idea why the story was attributed to him, saying, 'I never met Jane Fonda.' In 2005, the Minneapolis Star Tribune reported that Carrigan 'is so tired of having to repeat that he wasn't beaten after Fonda's visit and that there were no beating deaths at that time that he won't talk to the media anymore.' The tale about a defiant serviceman who spit at Jane Fonda and was severely beaten as a result is often attributed to Air Force pilot Jerry Driscoll. He has also repeatedly stated on the record that it did not originate with him: Driscoll said he never met Fonda, as the e-mail claims — and therefore, never spit on her and didn't suffer permanent double vision from a subsequent beating. 'Totally false. It did not happen,' Driscoll said.

'I don't know who came up with [my] name. The trouble that individual has caused me!' he said, referring to the time he has spent repeatedly denying the persistent myth. Mike McGrath, President of NAM-POWs, has also stepped forward to disclaim the Internet-circulated rumors about Jane Fonda and American POWs: Please excuse the generic response, but I have been swamped with so many e-mails on the subject of the Jane Fonda article (Carrigan, Driscoll, strips of paper, torture and deaths of POWs, etc.) that I have to resort to this pre-scripted rebuttal. The truth is that most of this never happened. This is a hoax story placed on the internet by unknown Fonda haters. No one knows who initiated the story. Please assist by not propagating the story. Fonda did enough bad things to assure her a correct place in the garbage dumps of history. We don't want to be party to false stories, which could be used as an excuse that her real actions didn't really happen either. I have spoken with all the parties named: Carrigan, Driscoll, et al. They all state that this particular internet story is a hoax and they wish to disassociate their names from the false story. Even Henry Mark Holzer and Erika Holzer, whose 2002 book 'Aid and Comfort': Jane Fonda in North Vietnam made the argument that Jane Fonda could have been tried and convicted of treason for her activities in North Vietnam, acknowledged that the 'slips of paper' tale was untrue: Let's set the record straight. It has been reported on the Internet in recent years that POWs surreptitiously slipped Fonda messages which she turned over to the North Vietnamese. That story is false. Also untrue is that any POW died for refusing to meet with Fonda.

It has been reported in the media and on the Internet that two POWs were tortured in an effort to force them into meeting with Fonda. However, despite considerable effort to find independent corroboration of these stories, we have been unable to do so. Jane Fonda's inclusion in the 30 April 1999 ABC television special A Celebration: 100 Years of Great Women (hosted by Barbara Walters) fanned the flames of anger within many who felt she had never properly atoned for her behavior. However, that program was produced and broadcast over fourteen years ago; contrary to outdated messages which still make the rounds of the Internet, Jane Fonda's being honored as one of America's 'great women' isn't something that just happened or is about to happen. (Nor, as claimed in some versions, does 'Obama [now] want to honor her' — the 100 Years of Great Women program was aired over nine years before Barack Obama was elected President.)

It's also not the case, as stated in some recent versions of this rumor, that Jane Fonda is slated to 'portray Nancy Reagan in an upcoming film biography of the Reagans.' The referenced movie (The Butler) has already been completed, and it isn't a biography of Ronald and Nancy Reagan — it's a film about a character named Cecil Gains and based on the life of Eugene Allen, who served as head butler at the White House under eight different presidents between 1952 and 1986. Jane Fonda was one of a large cast of actors and actresses who played supporting roles portraying former presidents and first ladies in that movie.

In 1988, sixteen years after the fact, Fonda finally met with Vietnam veterans to apologize for her actions. This nationally televised apology (during which she characterized her actions as 'thoughtless and careless') came at a time when New England vets were successfully disrupting a film project she was working on, leading some to read a huge dollop of self-interest into her apology.

Fonda also apologized in 2005, an act which once again coincided with the release of a film in which she had a starring role (Monster-in-Law, her first leading role since 1990's Stanley & Iris) and a book tour to promote her autobiography. As she had several years earlier, though, Fonda specifically apologized for the act of posing for photographs while seated at a North Vietnamese anti-aircraft gun but not for her other activities in North Vietnam: 2000: 'I will go to my grave regretting the photograph of me in an anti-aircraft carrier, which looks like I was trying to shoot at American planes. It hurt so many soldiers. It galvanized such hostility. It was the most horrible thing I could possibly have done. It was just thoughtless.'

2005: 'I will go to my grave regretting that. The image of Jane Fonda, Barbarella, Henry Fonda's daughter, just a woman sitting on a enemy aircraft gun, was a betrayal,' said Fonda.

'It was like I was thumbing my nose at the military. And at the country that gave me privilege. It was the largest lapse of judgment that I can even imagine. I don't thumb my nose at this country. I care deeply about American soldiers.'

The 67-year-old actress and activist, however, defended her decision to go to Hanoi and said she had no regrets about being photographed with American POWs there or making broadcasts on Radio Hanoi because she was trying to stop the war.

'Well, both sides were using propaganda, were using the POWs for propaganda,' said Fonda. 'I don't think there was anything wrong with it. It's not something that I will apologize for.'

Nor does she apologize for making broadcasts on Radio Hanoi. 'Our government was lying to us, and men were dying because of it,' she said. 'And I felt that I had to do anything that I could to expose the lies, and help end the war. That was my goal.' One man who didn't take Fonda's confessions to heart was 54-year-old Michael Smith. While Fonda was autographing copies of her autobiography, My Life So Far, in Kansas City in April 2005 as part of a promotional book-signing tour, Smith, who said he was a Vietnam veteran, waited in line for 90 minutes and then spat tobacco juice on Fonda.

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Thank you to the firemen, police, and first responders for your service...As for the weather media, that's a horse of a different color...

Darwin warned us. Common Sense would become an endangered species of homo sapiens...

The super intelligent weatherman standing in the blowing snow trying to frighten people who've seen much worse...(before he was born)

I always wondered why those idiots had to 'brave' the hurricane winds in Miami and yet I see them doing it in the snow...

As My Father would say, 'Why would anyone listen to some fool, not smart enough to come in out of the rain. (or wind, or snow)...'

p.s. I guess my Amish Friends missed the excitement generated by the weather and news media. Oh well. Spring will come, yes she will....

I enjoyed your column very much... Then I saw an acrostic right there in plain sight.

G-OOD

O-LD

D-AYS

(that Odd Says The Lord?) I enjoyed your column very much... Then I saw an acrostic right there in plain sight.

G-OOD

O-LD

D-AYS

(that Odd Says The Lord?)

I Believe that G.O.D. the acronym loves ODD people. That is why he made so many of us...

Normal is just the setting on a washing machine...

The rest of us are delicate, wash and wear, white, colored, and spun dry by the news media...

I enjoyed your column very much... Then I saw an acrostic right there in plain sight.

G-OOD

O-LD

D-AYS

(that Odd Says The Lord?)

I Believe that G.O.D. the acronym loves ODD people. That is why he made so many of us...

Normal is just the setting on a washing machine...

The rest of us are delicate, wash and wear, whites, colored, and spun dry by the news media...

Light, regular, heavy duty and perma pressed by the media...'Ding'. The news cycle must be over...

Now to get our heads shrunk in the dryer like a wool sweater from the sheep we have seen on TV...

There's a very good reason they call it, 'THE BOOB TUBE' instead of television. It's all in the reflexes and the perception...

I enjoyed your column. The perception of virtue and how it relates to sex and love is a communicative and associative property as in Algebra--- or Algae bra...

Aqua and Aquariums is where all the fish become chicken of the sea,,,sorry Charlie, everybody's picking on you...

The whole concept of celibacy and virginity has been overdone for centuries. (Milleniums)

What does the Pope know about women???

He probably thinks his own mortal mother was a virgin; right??? 'It Happens' but be private discreet, prudent, and chaste as possible...

Virgins who brag about being better than others, (of either sex?);;; are usually neither...

It has taken me over sixty years to get over some of my RC hangups about love, sex, and women in general...

The only reason G.O.D. invented sex was to have an infinite amout of amusement for eternity...AE.(not Albert Einstein, but Arts and Entertainment for the big guy in the sky...)

The Rotunda is a place for a circle of jerks to get together and form a congress...

ex-E-cute i've mansion too...

E-XE cute-I've got an order. (idea) not a good one, butt it is mine sayeth the CIC who doth protest too much...

XE-Xenon---It is a colorless, heavy, odorless noble gas,...

the first noble gas compound to be synthesized???

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xenon

The Rotunda is a place for a narcissistic circle of jerks to get together and form a congress...The Dumbed Dome of Cap-i-tolls

ex-E-cute i've mansion too...

E-XE cute-I've got an order. (idea) not a good one, butt it is mine sayeth the CIC who doth protest too much...

XE-Xenon---It is a colorless, heavy, odorless noble gas,...

the first noble gas compound to be synthesized???

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xenon

I have an OpEd in today's New York Daily News about our disappointing vote on the Military Justice Improvement Act last week: http://nydn.us/1iKj3pS. I'm proud of the bipartisan coalition of 55 Senators we built in support of this legislation to reform the military justice system, but last week's vote was never about whether Senators agreed or disagreed on a particular approach to reform, it was about the survivors of sexual assault and making sure their voices are heard. Which is why I won't give up on the fight to pass the MJIA to remove decision making in sexual assault cases from the chain of command. I won't give up until survivors are able to come forward and report these crimes without fear of retaliation and with the confidence that they will get the impartial evidence-based justice they deserve.

The federal witness, (victim?) protection program of immunity, from any prosecution perpetuates reasonable doubt of an undue process of anonymity...Selective prosecution is never unbiased, nor independent...New life, clean slate, for even a false witness, in the proverbial good intentions of myopic justice gone amok...(with politically correct tunnel-vision of pathos superseding ethos.) just a thought...AXM

questions about the credibility of his accuser may have sowed doubts months earlier.

Walter Talmage Thigpen Jr shared Mike Thompson's photo. Just an old soldier that remembers.

Barbara Walters on Jane Fonda:

Jane Fonda was on 3 times this week talking about her new book. . . and how good she feels in her 70s. . . She still does not know what she did wrong. . .

Her book just may not make the bestseller list if more people knew.

Barbara Walters said: Thank you all. Many died in Vietnam for our freedoms. I did not like Jane Fonda then and I don't like her now. She can lead her present life the way she wants and perhaps SHE can forget the past, but we DO NOT have to stand by without comment and see her honored' as a 'Woman of the Century.'

(I remember this well.)

For those who served and/or died. . .

NEVER FORGIVE A TRAITOR.

SHE REALLY WAS A TRAITOR!!

And now President Obama wants to honor her !!!!

In Memory of Lt. C. Thomsen Wieland, who spent 100 days at the Hanoi Hilton [infamous North Vietnam prison] --

IF YOU NEVER FORWARDED ANYTHING IN YOUR LIFE. FORWARD THIS SO THAT EVERYONE WILL KNOW!

A TRAITOR IS BOUT TO NE HONORED. KEEP THIS MOVING ACROSS AMERICA.

This is for all the kids born in the 70s and after who do not remember, and didn't have to bear the burden that our fathers, mothers and older brothers and sisters had to bear.

Jane Fonda is being honored as one of the '100 Women of the Century.'

Barbara Walters writes: Unfortunately, many have forgotten and still countless others have never known how Ms. Fonda betrayed not only the idea of our country, but specific men who served and sacrificed during the Vietnam War.

The first part of this is from an F-4E pilot. The pilot's name is Jerry Driscoll, a River Rat. In 1968, the former Commandant of the USAF Survival School was a POW in Ho Lo Prison, the 'Hanoi Hilton.'

Dragged from a stinking cesspit of a cell, cleaned, fed, and dressed in clean PJ's, he was ordered to describe for a visiting American 'peace activist' the 'lenient and humane treatment' he'd received. He spat at Ms. Fonda, was clubbed, and was dragged away. During the subsequent beating, he fell forward onto the camp commandant 's feet, which sent that officer berserk.

In 1978, the Air Force Colonel still suffered from double vision (which permanently ended his flying career) from the commandant's frenzied application of a wooden baton.

From 1963-65, Col. Larry Carrigan was in the 47FW/DO (F-4E's). He spent 6 years in the 'Hanoi Hilton'. . . the first three of which his family only knew he was 'missing in action.' His wife lived on faith that he was still alive. His group, too, got the cleaned-up, fed and clothed routine in preparation for a 'peace delegation' visit.

They, however, had time and devised a plan to get word to the world that they were alive and still survived. Each man secreted a tiny piece of paper, with his Social Security number on it, in the palm of his hand. When paraded before Ms. Fonda and a cameraman, she walked the line, shaking each man's hand and asking little encouraging snippets like: 'Aren't you sorry you bombed babies?' and 'Are you grateful for the humane treatment from your benevolent captors?' Believing this HAD to be an act, they each palmed her their sliver of paper.

She took them all without missing a beat. . . At the end of the line and once the camera stopped rolling, to the shocked disbelief of the POWs, she turned to the officer in charge and handed him all the little pieces of paper...

Three men died from the subsequent beatings. Colonel Carrigan was almost number four but he survived, which is the only reason we know of her actions that day.

I was a civilian economic development advisor in Vietnam, and was captured by the North Vietnamese communists in South Vietnam in 1968, and held prisoner for over 5 years.

I spent 27 months in solitary confinement; one year in a cage in Cambodia; and one year in a 'black box' in Hanoi. My North Vietnamese captors deliberately poisoned and murdered a female missionary, a nurse in a leprosarium in Banme Thuot, South Vietnam, whom I buried in the jungle near the Cambodian border. At one time, I weighed only about 90 lbs. (My normal weight is 170 lbs.)

We were Jane Fonda's 'war criminals.'

When Jane Fonda was in Hanoi, I was asked by the camp communist political officer if I would be willing to meet with her. I said yes, for I wanted to tell her about the real treatment we POWs received. . . and how different it was from the treatment purported by the North Vietnamese, and parroted by her as 'humane and lenient.'

Because of this, I spent three days on a rocky floor on my knees, with my arms outstretched with a large steel weight strapped on my hands, and beaten with a bamboo cane.

I had the opportunity to meet with Jane Fonda soon after I was released. I asked her if she would be willing to debate me on TV. She never did answer me.

These first-hand experiences do not exemplify someone who should be honored as part of '100 Years of Great Women.' Lest we forget. . . '100 Years of Great Women' should never include a traitor whose hands are covered with the blood of so many patriots.

There are few things I have strong visceral reactions to, but Hanoi Jane's participation in blatant treason, is one of them. Please take the time to forward to as many people as you possibly can. It will eventually end up on her computer, and she needs to know that we will never forget.

RONALD D. SAMPSON, CMSgt, USAF

716 Maintenance Squadron, Chief of Maintenance DSN: 875-6431 COMM: 883-6343 PLEASE HELP BY SENDING THIS TO EVERYONE IN YOUR ADDRESS BOOK. FOR ENOUGH PEOPLE TO SEE THIS MAYBE HER STATUS WILL CHANGE.

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