Free Will,Free Agency,Freedom and Will,
by Albert 1

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# 1. 5/25/10 6:21 AM by Jim Mattison
You are hitting on one of my key spiritual tenets. "I am the light".

It is difficult at times to accept truth...or fact..."the light" as it were, when it conflicts with the paradigms by which we perceive. An ego issue as you well know. To let go of "self" and accept "him", as scripture counsels, is not an easy task. "Do not deny God"...much easier said than done despite scripture's claim that God and truth are synonymous. We are a scary lot, humanity. "Fear God"...and we definitely do...even when, more so if, we don't believe it.

Editor's Note: You forgot to capitalize the I Am words you wrote.:=)

Try litting go of the sexist "him" category for starters. Then sign on with us who dont see the God princile as a boogyman who must be "feared"

I prefer awe.



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# 2. 5/25/10 11:12 AM by Jim Mattison
You know, it is an interesting phenomenon how the masculine object has somehow become almost a pejorative in our language. My use of the word "him" was a quote after all. No one seems to get their sexism pants in a knot when the French do it with Le and La. "Him/He/His" seems far less gender-izing in reference to the concept of God, to me, than "it" seems irreverent. The masculine is, pretty much always has been, the default descriptor of androgynous objects. It wasn't until the political wing of the American women's movement decided uber-paranoia about otherwise innocent speech patterns needed to be dickered over in order to call attention to their platform that all this nonsense started. It's been a long, long time since I thought of God in terms of gender. However, my language will probably never reflect it. I simply don't recognize the legitimacy of the complaint. Consider it dissent.

Editor's Note: The circumstance you used the "Him" in to describe the God principle was not one where I objected because you chose the masculine(I realize now it seemed that way) as I would even complain more to a feminist who use the "Her"

I just see the use of either as anthromorphizing a Principle much greater than could ever be described by "Him or Her" type sexual being.

I realize you use the "Him" as a commonly recogneized pronoun of "God" rather than just limiting that Principle as the image we are supposed to reflect as some religions teach/ At least I assume you dont see mankind (see I can use the male designation of humanity) as having been created as a lower level clone of a super being.

Thanks just the same as I realize my response to you was a little off the mark I had intended and definitely misleading.



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# 3. 5/25/10 12:28 PM by mk
Helaman 14:30 & 31 ( Helaman is a chapter in the Book of Mormon)

30 And now remember, remember, my brethren, that whosoever perisheth, perisheth unto himself; and whosoever doeth iniquity, doeth it unto himself; for behold, ye are free; ye are permitted to act for yourselves; for behold, God hath given unto you a knowledge and he hath made you free. 31 He hath given unto you that ye might know good from evil, and he hath given unto you that ye might choose life or death; and ye can do good and be restored unto that which is good, or have that which is good restored unto you; or ye can do evil, and have that which is evil restored unto you.

Essentially: We become what we choose to become... and it the one thing we cannot run from is ourselves. And- God allows this choice. could you imagine if we made choices and consequences were immediate?

We would not be able to live by faith, or work to change and become better. God is a lot of things, but the one thing that has been impressed upon my mind and heart lately is His Patience and ability to let us learn for ourselves. This has been impressed upon as I watch my grown children have new experiences. I want so badly to jump in and "help" but the best help I can be is to let them figure it out for themselves. And it makes me think of what God must feel watching us.

Editor's Note: I find it difficult to imagine the God I Am able to concieve of as having any human emotions (I do not consider Love an emotion) although I Am fully aware that many Christian churches teach that humans were created "in the image of God"

I respect your belief in this concept as sincere however still strongly disagree that God is an emotion laden super being.

I am not claiming my hypothesis is superior to your faith or anyones but am just freely stating where I Am coming from.

I remain open to how you and others see the God principle and have been continually refining my own paradigm as a result.

As long as I live it will continue to be a work in progress. I hope you and others continue to show me where you are coming from and why it makes sense to you.

Thanks MK.



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# 4. 5/25/10 5:11 PM by mk
"This is my Beloved Son in whom I am well pleased." Does this not demonstrate some emotion? To be well pleased ?

Editor's Note: But those words were spoken or written by a human being , perhaps ispired by the God Principle and perhaps not.

More likely they are translations from another language Hebrew, Aramaic, or whatever that in my opinion begins immediately to lose value.

I realize your religion is faith based and places much trust in the authority of your church.

My paradign is so divergent from that to make a comparison almost impossible.

Since I consider the coclusions from both perspectives as speculative I see neither as superior.

I only know I have chosen what I have and will not deny the inspiration which it provides.



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# 5. 5/25/10 5:43 PM by mk
Oh Albert, we are all a work in progress!

Editor's Note: And a most interesting progress it is!

Thanks MK




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